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Facebook - We should advise Facebook Elgrand group users to use this 'proper' forum.

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As in the title - Those of us that visit Elgrand groups on Facebook, why not advise those groups users that this 'proper' forum is better?

I don't use Facebook much but just recently I have been reading and contributing to Facebook Elgrand groups. I am shocked by the general lack of knowledge on all things Elgrand on Elgrand Facebook groups! Some of the long term users of Elgrand Facebook groups are not nearly as well clued up on average as a member of this forum who has only been a member for a few weeks.

On a 'proper' forum like this a thread can be long running and is 'bumped' to the top of a subject list every time there is a new post. In contrast on a Facebook group 'threads' don't really exist in the same way, they are not nearly as search-able, threads with recent answers/posts are not 'bumped' to the top of a recent subjects list like they are here. The same questions/subjects pop up more often because nobody remembers or points to the last time the same subject was brought up, on each occasion a question is asked or subject brought up it is pot luck on Facebook whether a list of responses/answers will come from knowledgeable people and with the context and previous consensus of past discussion or come from a couple of stand-alone newby's who are almost guessing.

Some questions and answers I've recently read on Facebook include "The dealer who sold me my 2002 Elgrand said it was Ulez exempt but I've had a notice to pay come through the post" with answers from quite a few people whom seem completely unaware of the long discussion of this subject on this forum. There would be no way I could convey the full discussion or findings on this subject from this forum in the small space with limited formatting allowed in a Facebook post even if I were inclined to do so, and of course it made more sense for me to tell people to read the thread on the subject on this forum anyway. Ditto many subjects, everything from LPG conversions, through audio, through wheels and suspension, through mechanical and electrical issues, to insurance.

Why do people think Facebook, designed (along with many similar internet sites such as the old Faceparty and including dating sites), sites that are best suited to keeping people in touch with friends/family/potential mates, think Facebook is the one stop website suitable for everything including asking/replying to technical questions and sharing information that is not about people?

Let's do Elgrand owners on Facebook a big favour - If we use this forum and also go on Facebook, when we go on Facebook and there's an Elgrand question that has been well covered on this forum let's post the link to the relevant thread on this forum and advise Facebook users to become a member of this forum.
 
I don't use Facebook anymore. It was useful once upon a time, but nowadays its just a bitch fest, and as you correctly pointed out, not suitable for discussions that are better placed in a forum such as this.
 
I recently attended my cousin's surprise 50th birthday party, it was arranged and the setup/correspondence managed by his sister (obviously another cousin) on Facebook and Whatsapp. Facebook and Whatsapp were perfect means for organising the surprise party and gave any friends/family members an easy way to check on other people's lives they were interested in (or had suddenly remembered to be interested in as an incidental).

But it would not have been suitable for checking out multiple specific aspects / subjects that those people were interested in... Every subject those people were interested in would be mixed up on the same page on those people's profiles, so if we were only interested in John's fishing exploits we'd also have to trough through everything John did to read about just the fishing exploits we might be interested in. If we were only interested in John's discussions about fly fishing we'd not only have to trawl through all of John's fishing posts we'd also have to trawl through all of John's other posts too... And so would everyone else. And it'd be likely the same people would ask John the same questions about fly fishing that others had already asked - on some of those posts other expert fly-fishermen might have replied, on other posts a bloke who only ever got as close to fly fishing as eating fish and chips might have added the most layman convincing yet totally incorrect info on fly fishing.

On a forum like this John can set his subjects out, start threads on subjects he wants to ask or bring to others attention, be pointed to existing info if it exists (which is very likely), the subject will in any event be there in future (and searchable) with a very good chance that any incorrect info will be corrected by others who are more expert.

Facebook groups are like a forum with the major disadvantage of every subject effectively being on one single thread. If those in the know miss a post on the single thread any duff advise stands a high chance of going without further discussion and not being corrected.
 
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I completely gave up on Elgrand Facebook sites, as you so eloquently point out it's just the same stupid questions, incorrect/biased answers and trolling/micro-aggressions. I got abuse for linking to here and apparently for answering too many queries. I think now that if people can't be bothered to do proper research when buying a specialist vehicle they deserve the results that come from that. They deserve blocked cats for being idiots.
 
Many people seem to use Facebook not for answers but to get validation something that they have been told incorrectly is actually correct - I suppose its herd mentality in action.

I had a massive argument on Facebook with supporters of a woman who had been sold an Elgrand (probably on facebook) with non-functioning remote opening. The reason she had to use the physical key was the seller had covered up the power door/s being broken by obviousky removing the door control switches at the right of the steering wheel and shoving the immobiliser chip in an aftermarket generic key. She didn't know the car was supposed to have power doors, but I was told repeatedly by multiple posters I was wrong amd some s2 E51s don't have any power doors, even though it was obvious what had happened with the clear evidence of badly blanked switches and an incorrect non-Nissan key. It was weird and I decided to leave them all to it.
 
Majority don't want to use the forum even when told about it.
One of the questions to join our fb site is a link to join here, and its a 50 - 50 split on whether they tick 'the forum is not for me' or ' ok I'll register an account'
So many out there just want the instant gratification of fb, and to be able to ask their questions without any thought, searching, or back ground work themselves.
I see so many wrong answers given on there, that I've given up helping now and just scroll by with a sigh.
 
I don’t really use fb for tech stuff etc, although I do have an account ( I think lol)
I’ve been known to look in some Elgrand sections and have started to look at market place etc ( who’d have thought it I know), I just can’t get the hang of it as it’s all so sporadic, it is good if I need to find someone in particular ( the wife has to help though)
What I do find , not just with Elgrand related stuff, that fb can be a collecting ground for bad info, digs at others and jokes to the detriment of others ( here I think that’s termed banter and is handled well)
As for pointing people to the forum, you can only do so much as there are always some on other sites that would use this as an opportunity to have a go etc ( seen this on other forums)
 
Isn’t the Elgrand FB page where all the banned members from here go to ?

I don’t do Facebook - never been a member/never made a post.

If the above comment is true then I don’t want to join the Elgrand FB page as it is full of naughty boys and I am easily lead.
 
I don't use Facebook I really don't want to see what people are eating or the bullshit they want to portray themselves as. At least with a forum the technical support etc is searchable and easier to research etc.
 
I do have a FB account but it's private so only open to family members and selected friends. I also have a small FB group for Elgrand owners who live in the EU. I think it has 16 members currently.
 
I just don't get the "urrh no don't do forums they're shit! Faceache is so much better" people. The whole lost info compared to years of accessible archived info is a no brainer in favour of a forum knobbook is full of conspiracy theorists and gullible idiots.

And pics are easy to post on here by using a picture hosting site like postimage.org
 
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I just don't get the "urrh no don't do forums they're shit! Faceache is so much better" people. The whole lost info compared to years of accessible archived info is a no brainer in favour of a forum knobbook is full of conspiracy theorists and gullible idiots.

And pics are easy to post on here by using a picture hosting site like postimage.org
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Working in an industry with consideration on User Experience you want to reduce the number of clicks to produce the action you want.

Uploading to another third party site just so you can post that link on here well is exactly what you want to avoid as it's a fuss and therefore people won't do it when you have a FB option that just allows it in a couple of clicks.
 
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It's no fuss, takes seconds. To me that's just 21st century idleness. My 'more clicks' imo produces a better end result and easier to view for my chosen target. Let's see how quick I can post a pic
 
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