Yes, come over the border, step in, the water's niceAt least you all can see what you will get in England soon!!
I get that in Cardiff. I used to live there and still visit. Cardiff is totally different, traffic volume wise, speed bump wise, road condition wise, traffic signal wise. You never get going in Cardiff- there's always a light or bump 100 yards away. In the Valley's the traffic is, in general, much more free flowing and much less congestive. Now it seems much more traffic is on the roads (everyone's going slower), traffic lights previously ghost towns now got 15 car lines. Traffic is on the road longer in free flowing areas. Forget this 1 minute extra spin, if one travelled exclusively in a 30 zone, and they now do the same on a 20 zone, the percentage change is [(30-20)/30]X100 = 33% (using percentage change as difference/what it was previously). So someone who spent 25 mins driving on a commute in prior 30mph roads, now spends over 33 mins. Hence you have traffic on roads longer and volume, congestion, queues etc which weren't there before. Not to mention honking, risky overtaking, driving 20mpg in 40,50,60 zones (all driver error, but issues which weren't there so much before ie replacing one 'problem'-travelling at 30mph, with a host of others).To be honest, we have had it where I live for over a year, and you do get used to it.
They did Simon, in this manifesto document. TBH it's the first publication of its type that I have ever read. I hope it was designed for children otherwise it's the most condescending piece I've read in a while.Did elected government spell out a policy for bringing in 20mph speed limits before people voted them in?
Quite a bit of London is 20mph limited, not that you can much above 10mph any wayAt least you all can see what you will get in England soon!!
Tis the way in politics speak, be as vague as possible and bend the resultant action to fit the statement....This doesn’t explain the scale of it tho
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CorrectFact is though Wales has a strong Labour following who would vote for pretty much anything they say, not a criticism or political point just fact.
You're making me jealous. Not a criticism or political point, just a fact.Fact is though Wales has a strong Labour following who would vote for pretty much anything they say, not a criticism or political point just fact.
Why?At least you all can see what you will get in England soon!!
So they only had to change the 3 to a 2.I wonder how they arrived at 20mph as being the new supposedly best compromise speed.
Why?
I'm not trying to make some kind of point by asking, I genuinely don't know why you say that. Is there a push for it in the Commons etc?
Maybe you're reading into the way in which things seem to be going, e.g., some of the new rules regards cyclists etc. ?
We / they could take the stopping distances / safety info and apply it to any road / conditions. There will always be a trade off between speed / safety and rate of progress (distance we can cover in a set amount of time). But if we're 'allowed' to use cars at all we/they have to recognise that 'progress' is also an important point. I wonder how they arrived at 20mph as being the new supposedly best compromise speed.
OK thanksI probably shouldn't have got political, but I meant that I think it's unlikely the Tories are going to win the next UK election, so you will in all liklihood get a Labour administration such as we have had in Wales since 1999. I would have thought what happens in Wales will probably happen in England then.
You haven't been overly political. The 20mph issue by definition is entirely a political issue, so politics is going to come into discussion about it. Politics of course is (correctly) jumped on by mods on forums, as it usually ends up with posters going fire and brimstone at each other. It's a testament to the posters on this thread/forum that despite politics running through the veins of the thread, no one is jumping down each others throats, but are discussing in a measured way.I probably shouldn't have got political, but I meant that I think it's unlikely the Tories are going to win the next UK election, so you will in all liklihood get a Labour administration such as we have had in Wales since 1999. I would have thought what happens in Wales will probably happen in England then.
According to the pressure group 20s plenty...At least you all can see what you will get in England soon!!
According to the pressure group 20s plenty...
"28 million people in the UK (more than 1 in 3 of the population) now live in Local Authorities which accept 20mph as the right speed limit where people live, work or play"
Yes, I'm sure they 'accept it'According to the pressure group 20s plenty...
"28 million people in the UK (more than 1 in 3 of the population) now live in Local Authorities which accept 20mph as the right speed limit where people live, work or play"