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[RuskinStreet]

I've just listed this on Autotrader, all mod cons including custom ventilation courtesy of ill-fitting rear door, a snip at £37500.
I remember a time, 40 years ago, when nobheads with more money than sense bought Porsche 911's and didn't know how to use them. Now we have nobheads who outbid and trip over each other to buy overpriced converted vans and haven't a clue what a camping holiday is all about. W4nkers

 

[Lpgc]

VW Krafter, basically a Mercedes Sprinter (if last generation). Conversion cost depends on spec but, like all things car/van based these days silly money. It is a sellers market for sure.

When Elgrand and Alphard "conversions" are listed at £25K+ despite being up to 20 years old, you know you need to slap the buyers and advise them to curb their enthusiasm

There's a fella at the moment wants me to quote for fitting him an underslung vapour tank to run his gas appliances from on his Sprinter.

Can ask sellers to curb their enthusiasm but they're not likely to while people are still willing to pay such prices.

So true @Lpgc, the DVLA have the last laugh though, they have made it incredibly difficult to get a self-converted builders van registered as a motorhome/motor caravan

From my point of view I wouldn't care much about getting a vehicle changed to camper van on the logbook much anyway, I have trade insurance so it wouldn't affect my premium payments in the slightest anyway and re-classification can change some of the speed limits, which these days with ANPR all over the place could be a pita.

 

[Lpgc]

I've just listed this on Autotrader, all mod cons including custom ventilation courtesy of ill-fitting rear door, a snip at £37500.
I remember a time, 40 years ago, when nobheads with more money than sense bought Porsche 911's and didn't know how to use them. Now we have nobheads who outbid and trip over each other to buy overpriced converted vans and haven't a clue what a camping holiday is all about. W4nkers View attachment 97478

Now now Rodney

During our last holiday in Cornwall with our touring caravan, a small van (think Escort van sized pulled onto a pitch opposite. The owner had self built a camper conversion in the back and had brought his girlfriend. She cried having to sleep in it, probably clostraphobic. He had built it so the bed was maybe 18 inches from the roof, under the bed he'd got storage, fridge, etc etc. Definitely one of those cases where less (clutter in the small van) would have been more.. But I expect he 'had' to have his campervan to make it seem like he had a vehicle viable of being used for taking away on camping trips. He'd have done better using the van for storage and as a vehicle and sticking a small tent up.

 

[RuskinStreet]

There's a fella at the moment wants me to quote for fitting him an underslung vapour tank to run his gas appliances from on his Sprinter.

Can ask sellers to curb their enthusiasm but they're not likely to while people are still willing to pay such prices.



From my point of view I wouldn't care much about getting a vehicle changed to camper van on the logbook much anyway, I have trade insurance so it wouldn't affect my premium payments in the slightest anyway and re-classification can change some of the speed limits, which these days with ANPR all over the place could be a pita.

IIRC insurance premiums for a van (and likely to ply trade) are much higher than a motorhome, 1 ton+ payload vans are also restricted to 60mph on dual carriageways, unlike motorhomes/day vans. Deliberate act on behalf of the DVLA to collect fines from converted vans

 

[RuskinStreet]

Now now Rodney

This time next year we'll be millionaires

 

[RuskinStreet]

This time next year we'll be millionaires

Mange tout Rodney, mange tout

 

[Lpgc]

IIRC insurance premiums for a van (and likely to ply trade) are much higher than a motorhome, 1 ton+ payload vans are also restricted to 60mph on dual carriageways, unlike motorhomes/day vans. Deliberate act on behalf of the DVLA to collect fines from converted vans

Years ago around age 17, some mates ran vans (like 1600 Escort vans) because the insurance was cheaper than for a car with engine of similar size.

At that age, at least at first, I was a named driver on my dad's policy. But even if I wasn't a named driver it would have been cheaper for me to get insured in a camper van dad had around the time than in most cars, the camper van he had was some kind of ex mobile library / shop converted to a camper with a still small but bit bigger than the average car engine, think it was a Ford but taller than a transit with massively tall front window and front sliding doors. It always occurred to me that most of my mates would have been far far more likely to have a smash or at least some sort of ladish related incident in the camper van than in most cars with even bigger engines. Imagine a camper van full of 17 year old lads on a trip to the seaside for a few days, they're almost bound to have something happen... I 'kidded my mates on' by getting out of the drivers seat, walking right into the back of the van and get a can of pop out of the fridge whilst doing 50mph etc just to see if mates would notice no bugger was driving, only do that on a straight road with no oncoming traffic etc but jeez there's no way I'd do anything like that now.

 

[RuskinStreet]

Years ago around age 17, some mates ran vans (like 1600 Escort vans) because the insurance was cheaper than for a car with engine of similar size.

At that age, at least at first, I was a named driver on my dad's policy. But even if I wasn't it would have been cheaper for me to get insured in a camper can he had around the time, which was some kind of ex mobile library / shop converted to a camper with a still small but bit bigger than the average car engine. It always occurred to me that most of my mates would have been far far more likely to have a smash or at least some sort of ladish related incident in the camper van than in most cars with even bigger engines. Imagine a camper van full of 17 year old lads on a trip to the seaside for a few days, they're almost bound to have something happen.

Welcome to the world of statistics and actuary tables Simon In the world of car insurance, the number of seventeen year old nobheads involved in a motoring incident whilst driving a mobile library pales into insignificance compared to the number of spotty oiks bending their Vauxhall Corsa or Citroen Saxo round a stationary object.

 

[malcolmyz85]

There's a fella at the moment wants me to quote for fitting him an underslung vapour tank to run his gas appliances from on his Sprinter.

Can ask sellers to curb their enthusiasm but they're not likely to while people are still willing to pay such prices.



From my point of view I wouldn't care much about getting a vehicle changed to camper van on the logbook much anyway, I have trade insurance so it wouldn't affect my premium payments in the slightest anyway and re-classification can change some of the speed limits, which these days with ANPR all over the place could be a pita.

i also would be interested in price for fitting of a under slung tank to run gas cooker , mainly for space . don’t think i’m going to bother with under slung water and waste tanks , probably use set up like caravans

 

[2madbulldogs]

Campers have always been (and prob always will be) expensive, because people want them ... if people will pay then that's how much they are worth. But to get a 'proper' conversion on any van isnt cheap .. you're looking at 8k - 10K for the interior and another 3K for the roof .. yes you can get cheaper, but you get what you pay for. My van (3.5 4wd) + LPG + pop top + quality conversion = over £20K easy. Is it over priced? yea of course it is, was it worth it? every single penny ... try buying. a low milage VW or transit with a quality conversion and heating etc for much less than double that amount. Each to their own, but i've done the tent thing, the 'basic' van thing and even tried a motorhome once, but nothing beats a nice camper (for me) ... to be able to jump in the van and take off knowing ive got my comfortable accommodation, food, heating, free 'wild' camping and access to the outdoors at any time of the year is why I paid so much. just getting the van ready now for a trip to the SW 300 road trip starting at Dumfries and Galloway next week ... try doing that in a tent in February.

The thing that made me happy to spend so much is quite simple, if I sold it now i'd get my investment back + £££'s ... and Ive had 2 years of great trips for 'free' ... nice

Got to 2nd that, everything you have mentioned, I paid £10,000 for my Elgrand,£4,000 on Rear conversion & £6000 on Alloys,Tyres Awning, towbar, etc
But for £20,000 all in we can camp,holiday all year round, We have spent 17 Nights in a Row Sleeping in Ellie,
I would never want a motorhome, bit everyone to there own,

 

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100%, demand generates supply. But prices on cars and car-related stuff are too high in recent years, indeed.

 

[MarkT]

From my point of view I wouldn't care much about getting a vehicle changed to camper van on the logbook much anyway,

Agreed - it cuts down on hassle but that's about it.

Insurance is still caravan-priced because the insurers will accept your word it's a caravan.
Speed limits are caravan speed limits as the law goes on whether it's actually a caravan, not on what the DVLA think it looks like externally.

The hassle/PITA bit comes from speed cameras not knowing that it's a caravan (they will be using the DVLA database) so you'll get the odd letter with a fine that'll be cancelled when you send 'em pics to show it's a caravan. The police force will update their own database... but there're a lot of police forces in the UK.