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Cracked wing mirror

Sheps84

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Sorry if this comes under technical??? Feel free to delete if so. But my left wing mirror, the indicator light cover part is cracked so I bought a whole new passenger wing mirror just to get the cover from it, as I couldn't see any spares online. Do people think the light cover will come off and I can just replace or will I need to replace the whole wing mirror? Hoping not cos it's the wrong colour 😂 thanks in advance
 
Do you have the one with the lense at the bottom of the cover or the one where it runs through the centre
 
This may help if it’s the last one
I've been bothered by the drivers side wingmirror indicator lens since I got my car 2 years ago.
When its wet or washed the indicator light filled up with water. Whilst it still worked, I could see the broken bit of glass (or hard plastic) sitting inside out of reach


My initial hope was to get the thing apart and glue the part inside - easy :-)

So taking the mirror off the car would help
The cover panel unclips easily

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But then the door card needs to come off so you can unplug the electrics
Take out the electric window switch housing

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Remember the screw that lies beneath a little cover inside the openning handle

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Door card off, you can now unplug the electrical connections, there are two of them

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Off course now you realise if you had wound the window down, it would make life much easier to hold the wing mirror as you take out the three or so bolts that hold it on :-( You'll need to put the electric window switches back again for this.

So wing mirror off, you can peal away the plastic cover that acts as a cushion agains the car when the bolts are done up tight

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Take off a whole load of screws and snap off various plastic tabs to realise there is no easy way into this thing.

Then realise the main plastic body of the unit has a double shell, the outer one (which has the light unit inset) is held to the inner with double sided foam tape.
Prise the two apart carefully with whatever you are not suposed to use in the kitchen

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The outer shell then you can see has the light unit inset and held with more sticky tape

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This light unit is sealed and the lens doesn't come off - bugger :-(

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So I figured if I made the openning a bit larger, I could retrieve the broken piece inside and then glue all back together. I cut into the unti with a dremel diamond disc, a little rough for this job so not great

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I snapped off this tab and kept it safe. Washed out the inside of the lense and only just caught the broken bit before it went down the drain. I tried allowing the thing to dry overnight on a radiator but it took several minutes of hairdryer heat to remove most of the mositure inside the light.

I preped the edges of the repair and rough wet and dried the whole lens with bits from a headlight lens refurb kit

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I didn't want to use superglue as I expected the nasty yellowing over time would look naff. I tried intitially to use the fluid from windscreen chip repair kit as a glue. This stuff is very thin and takes too long to set - back to the drawing board.

I found this stuff when searching net for ideas

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It's basically a light cured resin supplied with it's own little dinky curing light ( I used to be a dentist so the technology is familiar but a lot cheaper!)

I bonded the pieces back together one at a time after cleaning with an alcohol swab

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The final bond was reinforced in layers

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I smoothed over everything with a dremel sandpaper drum followed by more wet and dry
The plastic parts were cleaned and sandwiched back together with automotive sealant in black.

The final result was good and bad

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I was dissapointed (but not surprised) that the crack showed up so much, I guess you can't avoid the way light will be reflected by a repair. I was pleased though that despite how it looks, when you run your finger over the repair, it is so smooth you can barely feel it. The indicator lights now no longer work but is that something else? did they ever work before? Come on, it's an Elgrand . . . never straightforward ;-)

Lessons? Well I shouldn't have thought it was going to be easy. Bondic is amazing stuff and can be filed and sanded within seconds producing a pretty clear repair.
 
Do you have the one with the lense at the bottom of the cover or the one where it runs through the centre
Yes there's a little camera lense behind this plastic part. It's not like the one in the photos above sadly but that was helpful to see how it all comes apart.
 
Oo brilliant it shows turn signal lamp, that looks like it does come apart. Just going to have to figure out how to get them off without busting the whole mirror :) thanks for sharing that!
Glass out first to expose any screws to start splitting I would think
 
It's not that relevant to this topic, but I just removed my left/passenger side mirror in order to find out why it doesn't retract anymore. In the dissasembly process I used the video above to remove the glass. From there you can pretty much pull the whole thing apart by taking out all the screws. The only stumbling block I came across were the two screws that are sort of hidden where the mirror hinges. Once things were slid around to take those two out, the front bezel comes off and almost everything else.

I have to say I like the way Nissan have put these together, and is much better than the Ford/Volvo one I pulled apart a while back. At least this one is not made from plastics that clip together and then really don't want to come apart again.

The sad part of this story is that the drive gear (off of the worm gear) was broken, which explains why it wouldn't retract anymore. I think I will measure up the broken parts and see if ebay/aliexpress have replacement gears. Else I will have to get another mirror.

Anyone know if the retract motors are the same across the different series?
 
Just another tidbit of info. Coincidentally I had a series 1 left hand mirror that had the three lugs broken where it hinges when it retracts. I opened up the motor assembly and it uses the same worm gear and drive gear as the series 2 (and presumably series 3), so I swapped them across. After finally figuring out how the motor connects back up, I got it to work, so as far as I can tell I will have a retracting mirror again when I reassemble it.

It seems that these mirrors must use a circuit (in the motor assembly) to detect when it has reached the limit of its extension by measuring the current drawn. I can't see any other way it could work as there are no switches to detect where the mirror is, and if you run the motor without the worm gear attached, it runs forever.... which is why your mirror seems to have this motor run for ever when the drive gear is broken, as there is no resistance to it at all.
 
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